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bobbob1313 · August 16th, 2008, 12:25 AM

Ok. And if it does happen, this place will be fun. And funny.

MiamiHomer · August 16th, 2008, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by bobbob1313

Ok. And if it does happen, this place will be fun. And funny.

If we go on a 3 game win streak I post nude pics of myself.

/Nny moment

St. Jimmy · August 16th, 2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by bobbob1313

Man, I can't wait to see this place if we go on a 3 game winning streak soon.

A patronizing post from yourself seems to be the status quo so let's start with that.

bobbob1313 · August 16th, 2008, 12:38 AM

I'll be patronizing as shit if we go on a three game win streak, don't you worry.

I'll be all like "I told you so, you guys are such assholes". It'll be awesome.

But really, we lose a few games and all of a sudden we sound like Mets fans. Come on, guys. We're Marlins fans, we've got nothing to lose anyways. We're not supposed to be here, so let's enjoy the ride. We're in a down period, but we'll have an up soon. That's how baseball works. Uggla, Hermida, Cantu, and Willingham aren't .550 OPS guys. They aren't 1.000 OPS guys either, but they'll get back to their collective .750-850 OPS ways and we'll look a whole lot better. Our pitching is legit.

Juanky · August 16th, 2008, 10:41 AM

I like this move, mostly because we finally no longer have a short bench.

MiamiHomer · August 16th, 2008, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by bobbob1313

I'll be patronizing as shit if we go on a three game win streak, don't you worry.

I'll be all like "I told you so, you guys are such assholes". It'll be awesome.

But really, we lose a few games and all of a sudden we sound like Mets fans. Come on, guys. We're Marlins fans, we've got nothing to lose anyways. We're not supposed to be here, so let's enjoy the ride. We're in a down period, but we'll have an up soon. That's how baseball works. Uggla, Hermida, Cantu, and Willingham aren't .550 OPS guys. They aren't 1.000 OPS guys either, but they'll get back to their collective .750-850 OPS ways and we'll look a whole lot better. Our pitching is legit.

Oh god, not the "we're not suppose to be here so enjoy it crap". The fact is that we ARE here and shouldn't let the fact that we were underestimated deter from what we currently doing. We have a chance to make the playoffs and we are faltering right now but we have 40 games left to make up 3.5 game deficit, it ain't over yet. You think if Tampa suddenly started losing and then didn't make the playoffs they would be happy by saying "Oh we weren't suppose to even be in contention so let's be happy about that". For all we know it may be a while till we are close to the playoffs after this season because you just never know what could happen after this season.

Count Bass D · August 16th, 2008, 11:18 AM

I agree with bob. Dude, cmon most people had us at 60 wins tops this year. I'm not saying give up now but we've accomplished a lot. And with players like Maybin coming up and maybe if Loria signs a nice free agent, who knows? This team could be the favorite in the NL east next year if the rotation is still here.

MiamiHomer · August 16th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Count Bass D

I agree with bob. Dude, cmon most people had us at 60 wins tops this year. I'm not saying give up now but we've accomplished a lot. And with players like Maybin coming up and maybe if Loria signs a nice free agent, who knows? This team could be the favorite in the NL east next year if the rotation is still here.

We are overachieving right now. There is no guarantee that we will get the same performance out of everyone for next year.

Count Bass D · August 16th, 2008, 11:24 AM

Well, I expect Hanley to be better. Same goes for Uggla, Cantu, Hermida, and Jake. You have to remember Herms is only 24 and Jake is 25. I wouldn't call Jake's .300 OBP overachieving. We just did really well in the first half and are sucking in the second half. I think if you keep this core together and add some nice new pieces, we could be a great team.

MiamiHomer · August 16th, 2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Count Bass D

Well, I expect Hanley to be better. Same goes for Uggla, Cantu, Hermida, and Jake. You have to remember Herms is only 24 and Jake is 25. I wouldn't call Jake's .300 OBP overachieving. We just did really well in the first half and are sucking in the second half. I think if you keep this core together and add some nice new pieces, we could be a great team.

I hope you're right but only time will tell.

bobbob1313 · August 16th, 2008, 11:28 AM

I think this team is very well set up for a long term run if we play our cards right. Obviously, everything has to fall into place (including a stadium + Loria opening up his wallet a little), but I think we'll be pretty competitive for a while.

The key is being smart with the pitchers. Don't let Volstad go more than 180 innings or so. Nothing stupid with Anibal or JJ; pull them at 105 or so pitches no matter what. Olsen I don't think will be here next year, so whatever. Ricky seems like a horse for us, and he's the most advanced, physically, I feel.

I think we're in a pretty good position because Gaby and Coghlan should be able to step up next year and be pretty valuable additions, and should add some versatility since both don't strike out much and have great plate discipline. I wouldn't have any problems trading Jake and Uggla at the least and putting them in the lineup day one.

Swift · August 16th, 2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Count Bass D

Well, I expect Hanley to be better. Same goes for Uggla, Cantu, Hermida, and Jake. You have to remember Herms is only 24 and Jake is 25. I wouldn't call Jake's .300 OBP overachieving. We just did really well in the first half and are sucking in the second half. I think if you keep this core together and add some nice new pieces, we could be a great team.

I personally think there's a lot of baseball left to be played, but Hanley isn't better this year than he was last year, Uggla, Jake and Hermida might not be on the team next year, and as I've said regarding Willingham, with the exception of Hermida (who is just terrible) most of our guys are on the old side to be considered hot shots and none of them (again, save Hermida) came with a "draft day pedigree" that you might mentally fall back on.

Uggla and Jake are as likely to be .750 OPS guys next season as they are all-stars. The league has figured most of our team out, and our team is very very stubborn, adjustments don't come easily, or at all.

Could next years team be fantastic? Absolutely. Our rotation, Maybin, Hanley and some of this years left overs can't be significantly worse than we are now, and like you said, it just takes one free agent hitter who adds a different element than tons of K's and doubles, and our lineup is solid, but then again, the Mets have a lot of payroll coming off after this season and may not be this beatable again in our window. We are more the beneficiaries of the Mets team being old and bad than we are our own team being that good and deserving of a division title. I really don't have any idea where I'm going with this thought anymore, so I'll just conclude with the thought that we are as good as our record says we are, so I won't say that we don't deserve to be here or we should just enjoy it or whatever, but I will say that this years record means nothing when anticipating next year's performance, if anything, this year's team should reenforce that.

Nny · August 16th, 2008, 11:36 AM

jake is actually 27

Born: Oct 30, 1980 - Chula Vista, CA

Count Bass D · August 16th, 2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Nny

jake is actually 27

Born: Oct 30, 1980 - Chula Vista, CA

My bad. Still prime years.

bobbob1313 · August 16th, 2008, 11:45 AM

I actually wouldn't totally mind keeping Jake, but I want 2 of Willingham, Uggla, and Jake gone after the year. Personally, Uggla's got a ton of value to us in trade, and it would suck if we did trade him ('Fire Sale!!') but I think it would be the right move.

I would love alineup like this next year:

CF Cam
2B Coghlan (I think he's perfect in the 2 spot)
SS Hanley
3B McPherson (I know it'll never happen, so Cantu works fine)
1B Gaby
RF Hermida
LF Willingham (?) Free agent (?) Trade (?)
C Baker/Someone from the Uggla trade (?)

That to me could be a decent team, and with our pitching, I think it's enough (Though I didn't think there'd be that much turnover.)

Daft · August 16th, 2008, 11:45 AM

Season = FAR FROM OVER.

Has anyone noticed the Mets strength of schedule lately? Don't count the Marlins out because they sure as hell aren't counting themselves out.

Yes, last night felt like someone put my nuts in a blender and pushed "Puree" but the season's not over fellas.

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Count Bass D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,755 T&B $: 1,482 Reputation: 2186076	I agree with bob. Dude, cmon most people had us at 60 wins tops this year. I'm not saying give up now but we've accomplished a lot. And with players like Maybin coming up and maybe if Loria signs a nice free agent, who knows? This team could be the favorite in the NL east next year if the rotation is still here. __________________ If You Like 6'5 Quarterbacks With Laser Rocket Arms

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Count Bass D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,755 T&B $: 1,482 Reputation: 2186076	Well, I expect Hanley to be better. Same goes for Uggla, Cantu, Hermida, and Jake. You have to remember Herms is only 24 and Jake is 25. I wouldn't call Jake's .300 OBP overachieving. We just did really well in the first half and are sucking in the second half. I think if you keep this core together and add some nice new pieces, we could be a great team.

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bobbob1313 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,385 T&B $: 1,031 Reputation: 1654335 My Teams:	I think this team is very well set up for a long term run if we play our cards right. Obviously, everything has to fall into place (including a stadium + Loria opening up his wallet a little), but I think we'll be pretty competitive for a while. The key is being smart with the pitchers. Don't let Volstad go more than 180 innings or so. Nothing stupid with Anibal or JJ; pull them at 105 or so pitches no matter what. Olsen I don't think will be here next year, so whatever. Ricky seems like a horse for us, and he's the most advanced, physically, I feel. I think we're in a pretty good position because Gaby and Coghlan should be able to step up next year and be pretty valuable additions, and should add some versatility since both don't strike out much and have great plate discipline. I wouldn't have any problems trading Jake and Uggla at the least and putting them in the lineup day one.

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bobbob1313 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,385 T&B $: 1,031 Reputation: 1654335 My Teams:	I actually wouldn't totally mind keeping Jake, but I want 2 of Willingham, Uggla, and Jake gone after the year. Personally, Uggla's got a ton of value to us in trade, and it would suck if we did trade him ('Fire Sale!!') but I think it would be the right move. I would love alineup like this next year: CF Cam 2B Coghlan (I think he's perfect in the 2 spot) SS Hanley 3B McPherson (I know it'll never happen, so Cantu works fine) 1B Gaby RF Hermida LF Willingham (?) Free agent (?) Trade (?) C Baker/Someone from the Uggla trade (?) That to me could be a decent team, and with our pitching, I think it's enough (Though I didn't think there'd be that much turnover.)

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